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romancing saga sucks.
yes.
69%
 69%  [ 9 ]
does not. [consult psychiatrist]
30%
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PostPosted: Tuesday, June 14th 2005 5:06 pm    Post subject: a review of romancing saga: minstrel song Reply with quote

My review of Romancing SaGa: Minstrel Song. The review is harsh, and perhaps fun to read. You tell me!!
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PostPosted: Tuesday, June 14th 2005 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And they said you couldn't write a regular review!

Also this main theme is dangerously close to the Kingdom Hearts Traverse Town theme. Which makes me fall in love with Disney everytime I listen to it.
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PostPosted: Tuesday, June 14th 2005 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cool stuff
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the critical biography of Akitoshi Kawazu. I now feel much less confused about the few hours I've managed to spend with each of his games, over the years. well, that's a lie, because I completed SaGa2 on the gameboy as a child, on the bus to school. it didn't feel resentful of being played, like the others have.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sort of want to play this now... sort of.

Also I very much enjoyed this review, I found it informative and pleasant; I know its not your thing yet more pieces like this would be very welcome.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well met!



Great review.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to play Final Fantasy Legend III on my Game Boy all the time; this was when I was young, and foolish, and believed that it was a real, actual, official Final Fantasy game.

I remember I made some progress, yet never finished it. The game sickened me, made me feel more than slightly nauseated. The statistics. The way the thing treats you. The music, and the sense of aesthetics, and the way the overworld and the towns and dungeons were so shittily designed that they felt like they were going to fall apart at any moment and you'd fall down into A Sea Of Green.

And: It is not a good idea to play a game that makes you feel slightly nauseated on the bus. It's not even a good idea to play it anywhere.

When I couldn't take it anymore, I seriously threw my cartridge away. The game was fucking poison. Then I find out it's not a Final Fantasy after all; it's some bullshit called "SaGa." What the fuck kind of name is "SaGa"? Why not "Saga," if you really want to use a name like that?

God damn. Good review, though. SaGa needs that kind of hate. I feel at peace now.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oops.

That was me.

I need to learn to log in.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, this was good. Send it to the NextGen guy. It will blow his mind, I think. I'll give you his address.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a few typos and grammar hiccups that I recall seeing. Just so you know.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are a typo.

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AND a grammar hiccup.

-the REAL one
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh noes!
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's focused. I liked it. There's a lot to read though, and it's harder to gather thoughts efficiently on the one-page display model of LPN. The first part was very informative, and useful to get the reason of this game's very existence. The SaGa fanbase is quite peculiar, and usually remains the only interesting side when it comes to talk about the series, so it's refreshing to read something interesting from someone who actually isn't fond of SaGa - although I think the Kafka reference/namedropping was unnecessary.

Anyway, I send it to someone who loves SaGa, and loathes most of your articles, and he didn't like it, so I guess you managed to keep your style intact through a more conventional approach.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is your best article in a long time. I enjoyed it. It helped get me through the Mines dungeon of Skies of Arcadia. Thanks a lot.

I kept waiting for the dreck to appear so I could start skimming, yet it generally didn't.

I especially liked the first part when you discussed his career. That was fun, interesting, and informative.

Good job.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never played a SaGa game in my life, though I played the original Final Fantasy Legend some years ago. I don't have it any more so I don't know what happened to it. I think I sent it to you back when you asking for GBA games. However, none of that kept me from enjoying this review and it only makes me want to play Dragon Quest VIII even more.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You think the main theme for this game would be somewhat easy to find on file-sharing networks? I'd like to hear it.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So THAT'S why I hted Crystal Chronicles and never finished FF2!
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hold on I'll be hosting this song in about 30 seconds.

DING 30 SECONDS.

In truth it's still uploading, still by the time anyone sees this, it should be up!
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks a bunch, Rud.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was me. Sorry.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And here I thought I'd have to find a new favorite game journalist. Great review Tim, great enough so when the driving school instructor showed up I was all like "Fuck man, I'm in the middle of some Rogers."

I had Final Fantasy Legend III I think, the one with the monsters and the meat and the spacecraft. That thing was a mess of a game, I lost it somewhere and haven't regretted doing so once.

I was gonna tell you to gmail the song yet Rud13 seems to have me covered. Thanks Rud.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait you gmailed this before-- yeah I love this song. Heh.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tim: I think I see what you mean by that three-minute radio-hit quality.

I often find that, with videogame music, I can't listen to it unless I've played the game and seen the context, so typically listening to music from a game I've never touched doesn't do anything for me.

I'll be damned if I don't enjoy this song, though. I could play it for someone who hadn't played the game, either, and they'd probably see why I liked it so much. And if I put on my Final Fantasy VI OST for someone who'd not played the game, they wouldn't get it.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajutla wrote:
Tim: I think I see what you mean by that three-minute radio-hit quality.

I concur. There's something about this song that agrees with me. Thanks Rud13!
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CHAZumarocks wrote:
Anyway, I send it to someone who loves SaGa, and loathes most of your articles, and he didn't like it, so I guess you managed to keep your style intact through a more conventional approach.


Yeah, well he's certainly not biased or anything, is he?

Bizarre, bizarre happenings -- I . . . just put the game in the PS2 again and am . . . playing it.

OH NO I DIDN'T
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 1:30 pm    Post subject: Excellent (yet your best is indefinitely the Mother2 review) Reply with quote

Haha! Weird, it felt like a parallel to your Mother 2 review yet with a negative conclusion.

Not that I'm saying you're wrong, I've played Mother 2 and I've played a few Saga games so I find it impossible to disagree with what you say about them.

I guess it's like how North By Northwest and Bad Boys II both have car chases that make you feel sick in your stomach.

Also, you failed ot mention that the game is a mixed bag.
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I beat the last boss of Final Fantasy Legend II by borrowing a friend's game genie.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 1:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Excellent ([;] your best is indefinitely the Mother2 rev Reply with quote

Gilbert Smith wrote:
Also, you failed ot mention that the game is a mixed bag.


Oh! I did!

Imagine this in the review somewhere:

"This game is a real mixed bag."

I love that phrase!
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Makes me think of liquorice allsorts.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Technically isn't EVERY game a mixed bag? I mean, music and graphics are two different things aren't they? You need to mention "Quality wise" before the part about the mixed bag.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh yes.

done!!
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PostPosted: Wednesday, June 15th 2005 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was wondering who made Crystal Chronicles.
That guy should die. Like really. Just on merit alone.


My friend really liked the GB game though. He even replayed it a few months ago and beat it again. I wonder what he enjoys about it..?
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PostPosted: Thursday, June 16th 2005 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent review, Tim. I was honestly taken aback by the presence of an explicit thesis in the first paragraph. Not your typical style, although welcome nonetheless.

I've never touched one of Mr. Kawazu's games in my life, and my only knowledge of his work was the vague recollection that Unlimited Saga was regarded as an anathema. Yet, after reading your review, I feel as if I could summarize his entire legacy.

Very well done.
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PostPosted: Thursday, June 16th 2005 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Huzzah! Thanks Rud13!
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PostPosted: Saturday, June 18th 2005 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=924486&topic=21578067

The gamefaqers comment on the review.

Anybody who needs to dick the link to know their reaction to it, go drink some gasoline.
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PostPosted: Saturday, June 18th 2005 4:26 pm    Post subject: Re: a review of romancing saga: minstrel song Reply with quote

108 wrote:
My review of Romancing SaGa: Minstrel Song. The review is harsh, and perhaps fun to read. You tell me!!


IT'S NOT FUN TO READ
IT'S LONG WINDED AND SHITTY LIKE ALL YOUR SHIT REVIEWS
I DON'T EVEN LIKE THE GAMES YOU REVIEW AND THEY PISS ME OFF.
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Allowing guests to post is awesome.
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PostPosted: Saturday, June 18th 2005 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where's that GameFAQs Pongism post?
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PostPosted: Sunday, June 19th 2005 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I had fun.

"Games don't lose when players win" is really a lovely sentiment.
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PostPosted: Sunday, June 19th 2005 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great read. Helped the closing half hour of my shift fly by.
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PostPosted: Tuesday, June 21st 2005 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

very very well witten review as well as full story of the man behind the atrocities.

For the record, i still own FF Legends I, II, and III. while II was my favorite, all 3 games have some sorta weirdness that drew me in to playing them. II particularly since it was the most involving.
The only reason i fully beat III was because i was visiting relatives and we stayed at a hotel without cable and there was my gameboy with its plugin adapter. 12 solid hours later and the final FINAL legend/SaGa triliogy was complete.
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PostPosted: Tuesday, June 21st 2005 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read the first and last 2000 words. The remaining 3250 unread words comprising the middle section were probably crap anyway.

Are they worth it? Anyone?
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PostPosted: Tuesday, June 21st 2005 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude, the middle's the best part.
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PostPosted: Friday, June 24th 2005 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

108 wrote:
"This game is a real mixed bag."


A mixed bag... sampled with replacement?

108's review wrote:
and that's selection without replacement


You really, seriously, meant to say "selection <a href="http://www.ma.utexas.edu/users/parker/jsm04/sampling/repl.htm">with</a> replacement" here. Unless you meant to be wrong. Which is very possible although unlikely given the context.
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PostPosted: Monday, June 27th 2005 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought both the JPN and Euro versions of Unlimited Saga, just for the covers. I have yet to play either.

Also, that would be a pretty funny headstone.

Dead. On merit.
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PostPosted: Monday, June 27th 2005 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Westacular wrote:
108 wrote:
"This game is a real mixed bag."


A mixed bag... sampled with replacement?

108's review wrote:
and that's selection without replacement


You really, seriously, meant to say "selection with replacement" here.


look at the paragraph right above the big star!! the description of how the game exhausts all its resources. i meant to say the game was a bag that can eventually empty. so yes, without replacement.

you reach into the bag and pull out an annoying battle. SHIT! you reach in and pull out another annoying battle. FUCK! you reach in and there's a nice cutscene. OOH! you reach in, another fucking battle. HELL! another pull, another god damned battle. another battle. then a nice piece of music. the thing is, the nice music is only nice the first couple times (and i mean, it's really fucking good, out of context). the bag is deep and near-limitless, my friend. it's just that it's so overloaded with shit and the good stuff evaporates fairly quickly. and the good things don't get thrown back in.

i . . . really shouldn't have to explain this. the more i type, the less nonsensical it sounds. i mean, i threw the "mixed bag" mention in because of this thread. see above! hell!

thanks for reading the actual text closely, though!
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PostPosted: Tuesday, June 28th 2005 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

108 wrote:
Westacular wrote:
108 wrote:
"This game is a real mixed bag."


A mixed bag... sampled with replacement?

108's review wrote:
and that's selection without replacement


You really, seriously, meant to say "selection with replacement" here.


look at the paragraph right above the big star!! the description of how the game exhausts all its resources. i meant to say the game was a bag that can eventually empty. so yes, without replacement.


yeah, yet when you talk about the "super punch ability" being a roll of a 256-sided die, you say "selection without replacement" when you mean "selection with replacement"
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PostPosted: Tuesday, June 28th 2005 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neon Monk wrote:

yeah, though when you talk about the "super punch ability" being a roll of a 256-sided die, you say "selection without replacement" when you mean "selection with replacement"


That's a . . . different paragraph, though.

All in all, if the player eventually stops playing the game without beating it, if you consider the "roll of 256-sided dice" merely a chance that is occasionally pulled out of the mixed bag, then . . . well.

There can be selections with replacement as trials within a trial that involves selection without replacement. Like how sometimes the game of Life (the Japanese one, at least) has squares (selection without replacement, as you are constantly advancing (or selection with occasional replacement, as you can sometimes be pushed slightly back, though there are threshholds that dictate how far you can be pushed back, and you can't be pushed back past certain points since the push-back squares are always x+y squares apart from one another, where x = number of squares you're pushed back and y = a number smaller than x)) that prompt the player to spin the wheel (selection with replacement) in order to determine some outcome (how much money people have to pay for your wedding present, for example).

Shit!!

Talk about the game, people!!

(Maybe we should start a math forum.)
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You've somehow convinced me to play Final Fantasy II with all of this. That's not quite right, is it?
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Stop! NO!!

Don't play Final Fantasy II!

Play SaGa 1 if anything.
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PostPosted: Tuesday, June 28th 2005 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Play Final Fantasy Legends 2. It's the best game in the entire SaGa series. Saga Frontier 2 is my favorite though.
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SaGa 2 is an awesome game. SaGa Frontier 1 and 2 are awesome games.

Unlimited SaGa is an awesome game iff (mathspeak for if and only if) one of your ideas of a good game is sitting down with a piece of paper and figuring out mathematical rules for an imaginary reality based only upon their domain and their range, that is, the beginning pieces and the end pieces.

Actually, the SaGa series consists of games which have incredibly complex math behind the game, not only guiding the battle system, yet other things, like the chance behind seeing a certain cutscene and obtaining a certain character in a certain story arc, for example.

I agree with Tim on the whole though. The series is made by a guy who doesn't understand that one fact, that the game doesn't lose when the player wins. Still, I like the games for their battle systems rather then the content. I realize how wierd that sounds when I type this, yet hell, I think ya'll understand what I mean. There IS merit to the series, just not in the same places as a series like DQ or FF. Not to say that both of those series aren't complex in battle systems and such, it's just that they aren't known for this, much less regarded for this quality.
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Nice review. Quite fun to read though the only game I've played that you mentioned at all is Romancing saga 3 (Translated) ... which is near my most favorite Snes Rpg atm... I guess the only reason it isn't is that there are so many good rpgs for snes. From what I have read, Romancing Saga II is supposed to be the best of the series .. too bad there is no translation.
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